Welcome to the Energetic Radio podcast. This episode is brought to you

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Paul Campbell. Each week, we'll bring to you tips, strategies, and ideas

on how you can bring more joy and happiness into your life, and those you

share with. Alrighty, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome back to the podcast. This is energetic radio. It

is episode number 300 and 43. My name is Dale Sullivan.

I'm joined by the one and only, Paul Campbell. Mister Paul Campbell. Hello,

everyone. How are you, Dale? Very good. Now I've got a stat. This is true.

I haven't made it up my last name. Hang on a minute. The last you

have been made up. And he comes in this morning, and he goes, I

started researching stats at 3. He goes, I've got one. I've got one. I'm like,

did you make this shit up? Here we go. I didn't do much research, but,

if you add the numbers 3, 4, and 3 to get equals 10, this is

your 10th episode as a podcaster. So that's pretty cute.

That is so cute. Thank you. And you know the funny thing is, the last

few times when it gets hard to because it gets bloody hard to think it's

stats right, that number. I've thought about adding the numbers together. I thought, nah, Dale

fucking heal like, he'll be like, that's bullshit, Camber. You can't add the numbers together

to make a stat. And here you are doing it. So thank you. That's alright.

It's 10th episode. Correct? It's gone quick, but it feels like more.

Yeah. 10 weeks? Yeah. Yep. I've still got a bit of imposter syndrome going on.

Do you? I don't know. A little bit. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. Nothing

wrong with that. Yeah. Maybe it's the critics external that we worked here about before.

Who knows? 100%. No. I'm loving it. Loving it. 10 episodes in. That's one of

the favorite parts of the gig, to be honest. He's jumping on the in the

bunk and having a chat with you. And, obviously, last week we interviewed

the amazing Eliza West. Yep. God, she was an impressive human being.

Wasn't she? Very. Yep. Yeah. She was a little jet. I still can't

believe a little Aussie girl 5 foot 5 holds the all time record for

Utah state assist. I don't know why it blows my mind, but it still blows

my mind. You were loving the stats. I know. I was, but she was a

weapon. She was so humble about it as well, but, now that was a cool

one. I like that. And I think some of the things she spoke about, like,

the life lessons and things sorta has inspired us a little bit for today.

I'll have one before we start, mate. Last night, I, I was pretty nervous about

this, but over COVID, every day, not doing

much, 3 o'clock would roll around. There's a show in the UK that was always

on called Tipping Point. It started at 3 PM. Yes. And I just

loved it. Anyway, I found out my parents loved it too. It's like every day

at 3 o'clock, I'd sit down and watch it. Like, there's just not much else

going on in my life. And I loved it. I thought this is a great

show. Why why is this only in the UK anyway? So now it's in Australia.

Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I wanna do something that really challenges

myself, puts myself out there. Because a lot of things you do, like,

when we get up and talk or something, like, yes, you're challenging yourself, but you're

in control. You know what you're going to say. It's all on your terms. So,

yes, you're putting yourself out there, but are you really? And I thought about that.

I thought I haven't really challenged myself in a big way in a while. So

I applied for tipping point Australia. And last night, I had,

my interview. And I didn't realize it, but for anyone that's done a a game

show interview before, it was on Zoom. It would have been, like, 2 or

300 people on this Zoom call. You do a quiz, so

20 question quiz. And then you break out into little rooms. And you've got

a minute each, and you've got to share a story about yourself, an interesting

fact, something quirky about yourself, and just a little bit about yourself.

Yep. Which is in a long period of time. And I was like, the interview

was from like 5 to 6:30 at night. I'm like, that's like

witching out at home. Witching out at home. Yeah. It's not unfair that Thanks, Bree.

I'm so freaking. In my computer, like, apply for a TV game

show. That's what you're gonna say, missus Breeze. I'm gonna win his 1,000 and

tens of 1,000 of dollars in And I said they said there was been, like,

40,000 people that applied to get on. So we're very lucky even get an interview,

and I'm like, alright. So we went through the quiz, did that, break out

into little breakout rooms, and I was like, it would have been a 100 people

in this breakout room. I'm like, oh, I've gotta listen to everyone's one minute

thing. Anyway, they go, alright. First up, we'll start with, Dale

Sopot. And I'm like Oh, you went numo uno. New beauty.

So number 1. So I gotta introduce myself. You

can see the Elmo head there. Yeah. I wore a full, like, real cool

Elmo Life life size. Life size suit. And

so my story after I said who I was and things like that. Our 3rd

date when Brie came to the door, I was dressed full as Elmo in the

suit and everything. Hello, Brie. How are you? And, anyway, so I did

that in front of everyone on the camera last night. Did you put the head

on? Yeah. I had the head on. I was like, you gotta have a prop.

You gotta stand out. There's a hundred people on that trip. Yeah. True. Stand out.

I love that. Stand out. So I did that.

My quirky thing is I can eat a full egg shell and all just raw.

Yeah. And I said, I'm not gonna do it on TV though. Because Bray

said, if you get on, you can't do that. I'm like, oh, okay. Because feeling

it's creepy, and you get salmonella and things. Anyway, I'd never thought of that when

I'd done it numerous times at parties. And so I told the story and everything,

and then I was like, beauty. And then they said,

now if anybody, you know, it's a busy time at night, you don't if

you really have to go, you don't have to stick around. And I'm like, oh,

I said, beauty, thanks for everyone listening to my story. I'm sure yours is great.

Have a lovely evening. Bang, got off, went inside. Oh, you did not?

I was like Check it. That's gonna buckle your chances. Yeah. It is. I was

like, man, I wanna I'd I'd I'd much prefer to go inside and be with

my family than sit through the awkward things that I

just did. Would you really 5 till 6:30? Would you really be there? They're reaching

out. No. I'm joking. No. I just yeah. I I probably could have said, but

now I'm like, that's being pretty selfish. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't

really wanna listen to people's Yeah. Would've been intriguing, though, wouldn't a little

bit to hear what what other sort of personalities are going for these things. And

Yeah. I've always wondered on those games. I have always wondered how the hell you

get on them. Yeah. And now now you obviously just jump online and apply to

No. You're applying. Yeah. But I'm always wondering how many people are applying for them,

and 40,000, that's mind blowing. Isn't it? And then they're obviously shortlisted

down to 300. Then I wonder, did they let you know how many people would

be shortlisted from that 3 or selected from that 300? No. Oh, they wonder if

you had a sucker in. You got black you

got black marks straight away. No. I was like Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So and the

guy it was funny because he said, you know, this is like, don't this isn't

like a TED talk. Like, the guy that starts, it's not like TED talk or

anything. And and I said, oh, when I go there, I was like, yeah, Sean.

I'm not gonna give my TED talk or redone one of those if you wanna

check it out. Oh, chicken. That's what I must have thought. These folks

are wank. I put an elbow in my head on. He's talked up about himself,

and he's just left. And he's left? It's gonna go one of 2 ways. I

know. It's gonna go one of 2 ways. You know what? That's I don't wanna

be sitting here. I'd much prefer to go inside and help because it's not fun

by itself. I must be honest, when I rocked in this morning to the office

and I saw your I saw your your diary sitting there, I read your diary.

Yeah. Good. And I have That's what he's Yeah. And I saw I saw those

20 and I was like, what the what is that? What are these random

words written down? They say your responses, obviously. Yep. And so do you know what

score did you get find out how you went on the quiz? No. So there's

obviously, you're supposed to like, you're on a screen and you they give you a

QR code and you do it like a Like a hoots. Yeah. So I'd I'd

say it'd be similar. Yeah. But obviously, for those who don't know listening, our recording

studio, it's a shed within a shed. You get no reception, which is great

because when you're in here, you are working. Like, you're in the zone.

Yes. So then they had options for people who could write it down on a

piece of paper, take a photo of it, and email it to them. So,

yes, Interesting. That's what I did, isn't it? Have you still got a do you

have a list of the questions? No. I don't. I would love to check them

up and see how you went, but Yeah. I don't know. I wanna do the

quiz. I reckon I'd I'd say I would've got pretty well. Yeah. Oh, I knew,

mate. There was just a few on, like, ancient Greece. Yeah. That's what I mean.

There's some random stuff in there. I was like, what is the ant? It's it's

it's 33% chance you get it right anyway. Because there's only 3 ants,

3 options. Yeah. Multi multi guests. Yeah. Multi guests. There's yeah. There's

a lot that I knew, so I was pretty happy with that. Well done, mate.

How I'm proud of you for getting into Comfort Zone Fair. Thank you. And trying

something new. And my golly gosh, would I love to see your

bloody tipping point. I would love it. Oh. Peruvian

round. Do we split the winnings? Oh, I don't know that comes under the business.

No. That goes to Elmo.

That's awesome. Yeah. So anyway, I I was suppose, yes. It's

interesting. I I wonder what they're it'd be interesting. It'd be sort of like when

they people I've never done one, but a joint, like, big group interview

Yeah. For jobs. Yeah. Have you ever done one of those? No. I've never done

a whole big joint interview for a job. No. I haven't.

No. But I've know people who have. Yeah. And even even

new, like, there's a, well, give me your names, but I know someone very close

in their family actually who had like a group interview. And then they

yeah. And that that seems that was pretty daunting for them. You're gonna because you've

gotta almost stand yourself out. Right? Like, you've gotta You don't wanna be you don't

wanna be the wanker. You gotta stand out all the bits there. Borderline last night.

Something would've thought that I was an absolute flop. Do you have any idea

the doubt or siege would've planted in so many people's minds? Oh, one said that.

I knew that. Oh, shit. They would've gone all the crap. These guys these guys

absolutely come in and put it out of my head on. Told you how

because you got some interesting shit to talk about. And then he's bailed and I'm

sitting here little old normal me going, hi. I'm Jane from

Newcastle and I did the I did the voice. I did everything. I went I

went all out. I only got a minute. Yeah. Like and Man,

intrigued. Yeah. So anyway, it was, I don't think I'll ever, like, do

it again. Like, I I don't need to do it again, but it did push

me out somewhere. So the tipping point, I'll I'll be honest.

It's one where they push the disc and and if coins fall down Yeah. You

have to answer questions, get it right. Is that right? Yeah. You do love, mate.

Anyway, 1% club, that and I love the 1% club. Do. And it's

I love it because I think it's abstract thinking. Right? And we love that game

show. So I'm I'm pumped you might be on a game show. Yeah. But this

I don't think it's not really abstract. These are just general knowledge. Yeah. Right. So,

but, yeah, I I I like TV shows. Yeah. I do like watching them and

always love tipping point. I like it because there's so much element of

luck to it. Yeah. When you push it and it hits the things and it

goes down. But I must admit, I've never watched the Australian one with Todd Woodbridge.

I never said that on there. It's at 5 o'clock. I'm not watching TV at

5 o'clock. That's it. You know, I'm I'm running, man. I can't wait to hear

I can't wait to see if you get on. So that's my little story about,

we we played golf yesterday, and I must admit while I was playing golf, particularly

towards the end, I started to get a bit nervous because I was starting to

think about, oh, shit. How could I bail? How could I get out of this?

And then I was sitting in here waiting waiting in a light. And

then I've got on there. I'm like, woah. There's like just hundreds of people. And

I'm like, Jesus. Holy crap. And straight away, they pinpointed me again because on

our Zoom, it's got the school of play. Yep. Like, oh, that the school of

play, surely that's not your name. Could you change it? I'm like, yeah. Okay. Oh,

thank you, Dale. Like, so Yeah. So you were you're flagged early. No.

I was. Yeah. Anyway. So And I wonder if they you'd imagine they'd do their

diligence and look into you nice. I don't know if they would. They'd give them

an idea of the character. Yeah. Like, you can just put your name and email.

Like, you had to give them details of who you were, what you've done.

Like What a random way to start a podcast. That's awesome. That is great. I

thought it was, yeah, I I didn't have any idea what I was going to

do. I wanna go out to why do you wanna bail out of it? I

was just gonna Why why all of a sudden did you shit yourself and go

because I'm feeling really nervous. Yeah. Right. And I because of the unknown. And as

I said, for a long time, I've done things in the unknown, but I haven't

really done it for a while besides, you know, starting with you here. Yeah. I

haven't I haven't really done anything that's really pushed me outside my comfort

zone that I'm sort of not in control of. And you survived? Yeah. And then

but then I started yeah. I know. But then I started thinking, if I do

get through, do I actually wanna go on TV and put myself on

that spot? And then I started thinking, I actually don't really wanna do that now

that it's maybe a possibility. So then I

just started thinking, well, don't do the interview then because then you got no chance

of getting on. Yeah. No. I'm like, no. Well, I said I would. Oh, so

I was just telling myself stories. And in the end, I'm like, no. You just

gotta see me do it. Gotta do it, don't you? Yeah. I reckon that that

happens in life much though, doesn't it? Someone sees you wanna do this and you

go, yeah. Awesome. And then it comes around, you're like, shit. Why did I put

I don't wanna do it now. Wanna do it. I just wanna cruise through life

and do what I'm comfortable doing, but, yeah, you're never gonna learn anything from them,

don't you? You're never gonna be proud of yourself or No. Yeah. You're not. So

there you go. Tipping point Australia. No. And then I was thinking as

well, what happens like, if like, I'm not gonna miss work. I'm not gonna miss

a gig for it. No. I'll I'll I'll hold the fort. So It's all gone.

Mate, I will happily hold the fort if I get to see you on the

tipping point in Australia. Oh, go on 7 Volley at Top Woodbridge. Yeah. I'll be

Mark Woodford. Oh, mate. You'll give us the stories, that's for sure. Thank you, mate.

Good luck. I don't know when to find out what it is, but, I was

proud of myself. And we will keep you posted out there. We'll tell you what

you're posting. Oh, that is epic. I love it. One of the things when,

when Lars was talking last week between things and and obviously the story she came

from was travel. And that's been in my head a little bit too that something

that bloody loved doing was travel. I know you and I are both massive travel

people and and what you learn from traveling, but I haven't done a lot of

it lately. Yep. Since kids, especially in

certain new career and those sorts of things. And, I don't know. It's got me

thinking, what's your favorite travel story? Because I was that popped in my end and

I was like, what's your favorite because you've done a shitload of traveling. What's your

favorite travel story? I suppose different one is for different things. So,

like, I I I love crazy adrenaline. So,

like, Mario Karting in Tokyo around the street is pretty cool. Cliff

diving Croatia, bungee jumping, skydiving. Yeah. But the one for me

was running with the bulls in Pamperlona. Awesome. And mom said,

don't do it, Dale. Like, never do it. And, like, have you ever been there?

No. Oh, like, it's so crazy. You'd line you get there at 6 AM.

Everyone's only still drunk, and there's cobble streets, and you're packed in there. You

wait for 2 hours, and this cannon goes off, and they let 12

600 kilo balls go and let's run through. Anyway, I deal with a couple of

mates, and, like, I said, I'm gonna run-in between

touching him. And they're like, no, you're not. You're definitely not. You're not gonna

do that. And you have to plan your run enough so that you run sort

of with them so you get in the arena. Otherwise, they shut the doors. Alright.

So, anyway, I did it, and I ran literally, like, in between them because everyone

had jumped to the sides. I thought I'm just gonna run sort of with them.

And I told them, mate, they're like, bullshit. There's no way you did that. Anyway,

we walked past this store, a photo store, and they're taking photos

throughout. And they're like, that you're in all these photos. And here I am

running in between the pools. I'm at 1 with the balls.

Oh, okay. And then I got in the arena, and, like, there was this there's

a real slow ball that, like, harasses and keeps

the little energetic ones, and that come up and got me behind.

Oh. I'm like a a shat bricks. That was the

scariest thing ever. And I couldn't get it, like, they push you back in the

arena. Oh, anyway, as far as story. Of course. As far

as a, like, a thing I'd never do again. And

good luck. Good luck. My boys wanna do it. Like I'd love to. And did

you do the tomato throw? Never went to Latamatini. No. No. I never went there.

Yeah. I went to Oktoberfest 2 or 3 times. Yeah.

Yeah. I did feel like drink a weight in beef? Did probably didn't make it

a very good example of myself there, but, no. I think, just

that's where, like, particularly Europe has got so many Yeah. It's epic.

Like, things Yeah. That nowhere, like, in Australia would be able to have because

of all our rules and guidelines and tape and Oh. You know, like, you just

can't do anything. Whereas, like, this is mental than running the bulls

is still going. The sad thing about it is, and I know it's a tradition,

but those bulls that I ran with that night, then they stay in the arena

and the matadors come out and they get killed. You know, because they do a

bullfight that night. Yeah. Right. They all get sacrificed and killed. I did not know

that. Yeah. They just bring the podcast in. I'm sorry. I thought that was pretty,

like, that's pretty sad. Yeah. I didn't know that either. I didn't go to that.

There was a whole thing And you just told me something Sorry for my ignorance.

I had no idea that the matadors and the things actually even in

today's day and age, they slay the bulls. I thought it was all just showing

they They slowly stick daggers into them. So if you watch, they'll have them in

brutal. Yeah. It is. And so they slowly bleed out. Oh. Yep.

Oh, sorry, everybody. No. That's no. That's Yeah. And it's still a

sport. Holy crap. And it's in, like, Spain. It's so well regarded.

Like, matador is a cream of the crop. Put on them for keeping traditions,

because that's what doesn't have enough, like, especially over here. People that like

animal lovers and things like, wow, that's pretty brutal. Yeah. It's pretty brutal, isn't

it? So anyway, there's a couple. What about you, mate? Mine are probably revolve

around mate, I love the snow. Yeah. So and and and my wife and I

love the snow, but most of my travels yeah. Like, we always used to chase

the snow. We'd we were both school teachers back in the day and, we'd get

6 weeks off every summer and we'd try and chase a bit of snow overseas,

you know, Japan, Europe, states, those sorts of things. Favorite

places to skate to snowboard have to be Ishkull. I reckon Ishkull in

Austria. Yep. Like mind blowing just the size of the joint in the apres ski

was off its head. Never seen so many people in ski boots and and onesie

ski suits dance on the bar at 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

Gold. Oh, gold. Absolutely gold. Europe again though. Like, Europe again.

It's crazy. That's something beautiful that isn't it? It just sucks that we're so far

away from that. That that's one thing I wish I wish we'd like to live

to be closer to all the action. But then again at the same time, at

the same time, I'm glad we don't live so close to the action. You know

what I mean? Because it protects us from a lot of crap. But, yeah, that

that's probably a huge one. Me and the mates did a massive trip when

we were younger, for a good 5 or 6 months over to Colorado and the

states in Aspen. That was I'll always remember that one fondly that was Breckenridge? Did

you go to Breckenridge? Nah. I went to Aspen, Colorado. I was scared of Aspen.

Breckenridge is that's spot, mate. Next level? Oh, just the most beautiful

because the town's just around like it's oh, yeah. I thought it was incredible. Yeah.

But when I was when Lars was talking, it made me thinking about it and

that's why I'm too it just, I don't know. It's it's really sad how many

people don't do it. You know what I mean? How many people it's not in

their agenda to get out of this place and go and see the world. And

then when you hear stories like this and you watch your face light up, it's

like, fuck. Don't do it. You know what I mean? Like, it's unreal, isn't it?

And now I've got a, I don't know. I've got a little bit of a

bug coming in the moment that I really wanna do a really massive overseas trip

somewhere. And I think they'd be taking the kids to the snow somewhere, maybe like

a Canada or Whistler or, I don't know, back to Colorado maybe or somewhere

completely different and go to the Chamonix in France where they don't speak English. You

know what I mean? And give the kids that experience. But, yeah, fingers crossed

business keeps going well. We can we can afford to do that. We're a little

bit old. We can afford to do that in a couple of years time. But,

no, I just think yeah. When Lars was taught, I was like, man, travel is

such an important part of developing here as a human being as a character. And

I reckon you change so much. And I saw it sounds crazy. Like we went

to little old Marlow for 2 weeks. I don't know what it is when you

take your kids on holiday, I reckon they've grown up 6 months in 2

weeks. Yeah. I don't know what it is. I don't know because it's maybe a

change in their environment. They're doing something different. They're learning new skills, new

tasks. They've been they're a lot more independent when you take them away.

But definitely, I just reckon they grow up 6 months in 2 weeks. Yeah. Which

is scary and awesome at the same time, but, well, I don't know. Oh,

yeah. They go outside there, come zone, probably, like, going on an interview of

tipping point or something or Yeah. I suppose, like, when you talk about travel, I've

been very fortunate to do a lot with work as well, which is completely different.

Yeah. And I think about, just the last year alone, you know, like, going a

lot through Asia, but, like, back to Kenya again and then, like, place like Saudi

Arabia. Yeah. Like, that's a place that I would have never gone to visit

and pretty cool, but also I don't know. I think

traveling is brilliant for learning and developing, but also so gratifying

to make you realize how lucky we are. And I think that's,

you know, the thing like like, a place like Kenya, it's amazing, but, you know,

these schools, the schools, that international school in Kenya is like this fortress. And you

walk outside these big gated guarded doors, and it's

just third those poverty. Like, you've never seen and Yeah. Then you're getting your

driver picking up, taking your hotel. Like, it I don't know. It makes you

feel pretty guilty in a way, but then also so lucky and

fortunate of the life that we get to live. Yep. And I think that's one

thing I think when people complain a lot, you need

to get out side of your life and, you know, you don't have to go

to Kenya or something, but go somewhere that people, you know, are struggling.

Yeah. Because normally they're happier than what we are anyway. Go to a bloody food

kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, go go to the city and the city mission or

something. Go and volunteer for a day at a food kitchen and and connect with

some homeless people or or people doing it rough and and hear hear their stories.

Yep. You know what I mean? And and do something good and you'll feel good

about yourself. But you hear their stories and and build that perspective. You don't think

we always do our perspective. You can build that perspective a little bit, but now

you're spot on the same. Like, I did a world challenge with 32 kids, took

them to Nicaragua in Costa Rica room. We built a we

built this little community and we built a, the the first flushable

toilets for this school. So these kids at this school and they just got drop

taught and it was on like Nicaragua. So on like

level. And, so the drop towards as you imagine, we're not very deep and just

this stench and and yeah. And we built out I'll never forget. I literally we

get our bandanas and we'd spray the crap out of your bandana with your rexoid

or your deodorant, and then you'd put it around your around your face like you're

gonna rob a bank. Yeah. And then tell you go to the toilet because you

just because it's just so bad. Could not stand it, but that's what

and and we're building the first, you know, toilet block next

door flushable toilets. Working with the locals and, oh, I

can never I was like, man, this is yeah. We say you gotta feel well-being.

I was like, at least you got to feel the reason why we're there doing

it. It was like shit was needed. But yeah. The I always that pops in

mind all the time. I'm not thinking about when when things are going tough or

things get whatever it might be, like, bloody hell, dude. Think about what those what

those villages were living on. You know what I mean? And yeah. Eye opening, but

such a rewarding experience to do it. And I know for a fact it changed

those 32, you know, those teenagers that Would've. Changed them for sure. Yeah.

Every single one of their trajectories was changed after that. So yeah. I

think, yeah, traveling. Definitely Yeah. Definitely do it. Where's one place you wanna go

to? You haven't been yet? I haven't been to China. I would

love to go to China just for the see the sheer fact that it's,

like, mayhem. Yeah. China or India. They're the 2 that I've been

to quite a few places. I haven't been to China or India. So, yeah. They're

probably 2 that I'm I'm just gonna get some curious. Not like, it wouldn't be

I don't think it'd be going for a holiday. It'd be more an experience, just

because of the sheer, like, 1,400,000,000

in each place. You know, there's half the world's people. Be an interesting, wouldn't it?

Yeah. It would. So in I don't really know. I'd love India India for me

is on there, and I bloody love Indian takeaways. So I'm I'm sure there'd be

some amazing Well, you'd wanna get the right ones then, but Take it all. Take

away the guts and go home. Yeah. Mine's probably,

yeah. I've never really done, like, the South America. So I've done your Brazil and

those sorts of things in there. It's always been on the wish list, I reckon.

Yeah. But there's there's 100, isn't there? There's the same place I'd like to get

to. One of the best tracks I've ever done, like Machu Picchu in Peru. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be sick. That was really rewarding. And the the

Galapagos Islands in, down in Ecuador there. Yeah. Just a

different animals there. Yeah. South America's amazing, but that's the thing. It's so big. It's

way like people when they come to Australia and they're like, where do I start?

Where do I go? Like, there's just so much to see. Yeah. But I haven't

even seen the red rocket. Have you? No. I have not mentioned in there. Went

there for, you know, toilet store when I was at the Pies. I was there

for 2 hours and then my wife, went into labor early, so I had to

fly back quickly. So I went to Alice Springs in Darwin for my first time

in my life, and I was there for 2 hours and then had to get

evacuated out of there. And I went from Alice Springs to Darwin, Darwin to Brisbane,

Brisbane to Melbourne and almost missed the birth of my first child. I was freaking

out. So yeah, but no, I haven't ever seen the Red Rock yet. So I've

been a bit of exploring it in my own backyard. Bit of a bit of

Australia, didn't you get the place? All of that. Isn't it? No. I love it.

I love it. We're talking about this pod before and, like, we wouldn't take them.

We're like, we got no idea we're gonna take this one as you can tell.

We're just sitting here having 2 mates, 2 business partners having a

chat. And, and suddenly so we were having to hit a golf yesterday and we're

talking about with with Cullen about, you know, the importance of you're not

your job. And you're not your and that resonated with me as well. And I

was like, that's a really cool thing to sort of think about, isn't it? When

you're how how many people get stuck in their careers

hating it? And, you know, Christian was there, he was there for 25 years. You

know what I mean? And he not that he's he's not hating it, but he's

still there for 25 years and hasn't tried anything new or those sorts of

things. And, yeah, I don't know. It just peaked my ears a little bit about

the importance of, I don't know, give that a go at some stage. You know

what I mean? Try and try something new in your career. I don't know. I

don't know where I wanna take that one, but, yeah, you're not your business card.

No. You're not. You're not. But and that's where it comes back to

things you do for yourself and how you treat other people. I think we get

caught up in our business card because it's easier to work than it

is to work on those things in your own life. That's a good point. Yeah.

It is. And that's for a long time, that was how I operated because the

way I could work was better than I was as a person. Yeah. No. It

was like, you know, like, I can admit that now. Yeah. And that's where probably

last night, like, I could have sat on the tipping point call and done my

best effort to impress them. But I was like, no. My

family needs me inside. You know? So I think trying to be more selfless for

the people in your life instead of for yourself. Yeah. When you start talking

about your business or your title or what you do,

then it you're not talking about anyone else or helping anyone else. You're just

stroking your own ego. It is a funny I I know I was definitely

this was me, and I imagine it's a lot of people. When you go to

work, you put the facade on. Yeah. You really do. You know what I mean?

You put the you put the game face on, you put the facade on, and

you walk in and you you play your role, so to speak, and your part.

And then you get in your car and you come home and you're a slightly

different person sometimes. I don't know. It's yeah. It's and that got me thinking

too. It's like, shit. I wonder how many people do that. And Oh, so many.

Yeah. That's in I feel that in all different aspects of life. We wear

different masks, you know, certain people, certain friendship

groups, friends, family, your your relationship, if you have

kids, you act differently in each situation. Yeah. And I

think that's I don't know. The more you can realize that and bring it

back to 1 and just be your true self, But that's a really hard thing

for people to do because like with lies saying, you know, like, you don't wanna

be judged or what people will think of you or different things like that. It

it's very easy to say, don't worry about that. But at the end of the

day, it's so much harder to actually put that into practice. Yeah. Yeah. And that

was a good point. She talked about wasn't it how, and, and we say this

a bit in their workshops, the sooner you can stop caring about what people think

about you, that's when you're gonna be your happiest. But when does that

happen? Well, and it definitely doesn't happen for, you

know, the, the primary and secondary school kids we're working with. Like

Yeah. And even the corporates or the teachers or the parent sessions we

do. Like, it it it I don't know. Yeah. I feel you have to be

in a really good place in yourself before you can actually say

that. Yeah. And And and we'd like to think, you

know, in my forties now, you'd like to think you've got it now, but I

probably don't fully. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think you could ever

have it fully unless unless you're probably a narcissist

in you at that full of yourself that you don't even know. That's true. So

I think there will always be an element of it. Yeah. But I think it

comes back to just, you know, controlling what you control

and believing in what you do and being happy with that. Yeah. But yeah.

Yeah. They're all words. Like, we're saying here, so much easier to say here

until someone judges you or puts you down or

says something you've done or says, geez, you got a horrible voice or you can't

spell or, you know, like, things like that still affect me, but I'm getting better

at not letting it consume me. Yeah. That's it. It it washes it washes over

you quicker. Wow. Yeah. Maybe that's what we with age, maybe that's what you develop

the skill to do. Yeah. It's not hold onto it for as long or not

give a shit about what they said as much and those sorts of things and

move on quicker. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. But definitely, if you can master

that skill as early as possible, it is true. Once you stop caring so much

what people think about you, you're definitely happier. Yep. But fuck. It

takes a long time to break them, doesn't it? Yeah. And we're still working on

this. There's no blueprint for that one. There's no manual. Yeah. Like, everyone's a work

in progress. Like, yeah, I was walking the

dog this morning and I was just sitting there thinking about how content I'm at

the moment, like, super content, happy with what I'm doing, happy with

where we're at. Family is awesome. Friend all that kind of stuff. Everything's really good,

but I was like, but you still want more, don't you? And I was like,

I wonder how long as human beings, everyone's

always searching for more. Even though you're content whatever it is, you're still I don't

know how long that's gonna be with you. Is that is that there till death?

Is that I got no idea even. I reckon well,

I don't know. I look at a lot of people that are probably retired, and

I don't think they're searching for much. I think they're pretty happy. You know? Like

but I think that's just human nature that when we

are growing, developing, building something, caring for

kids, watching them, not just give them the opportunities, you're always thinking what

could be better for them. And normally what's better for them is better for

you. What could be better for me as a person, for my health, for

my family, for my friendships, my love, you know, like, I think that's

what you're searching for, to try and get better, not thinking what do I need

because somebody else is getting it. Yeah. Gotcha. But I have

the blinds very blurred there. Yeah. You know? Oh, jeez. Grass always green on my

neighbors. You know? Like, it's the same thing. You know? Yeah. I I just see

you see other people doing things or stuff going on. You're like, oh, that's cool.

I wanna do that. Or Yeah. I got a pizza oven. You want a pizza

oven. You want a pizza oven? I know you do. Don't get one though because

then when people come over, all you end up doing is making pizzas and everyone

eats them. It's the most non enjoyable thing ever. Why when people don't eat pizzas.

Oh, I know. But you end up just back and forth doing dough and making

pizzas. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess that maybe it's not such a bad thing.

Like, maybe we're always searching more because everyone's always a work in progress. Like,

you are always a work in progress, but, like, you never you never complete

itself. Like, you're always gonna learn something new the next day or whatever experience you

have, you're gonna learn something new or you might want a new challenge or take

a new risk or plan a new holiday or whatever it might be. So

learn a new skill. I don't know. So I think everyone's always a work in

progress for your whole life. So maybe you're maybe you're

always gonna be searching for more because you are a con a continuous work in

progress. Oh, very deep. Shit. I don't know. Yeah. That was I

don't know. Very deep, mate. So maybe I should become comfortable with the fact that

you should that's just the way life is. You know, searching for more and and

don't stress about it. No. Don't. Don't beat yourself up for why I'm always looking

for more, but why can't I just be content with where I am? But But

you are. You need to be content in most things, but then you've still gotta

have something you're looking forward to or something that challenges you. Yeah. It's

like a holiday, you know, like, I feel everyone should have something coming up that

they're excited about. It doesn't mean a holiday. It could be an experience. It could

be anything, but you need to have something that's exciting that, you

know, when things are tough or something's got a little bit hard, you know, that's

alright. I'll get through this because I've got this coming up. Yeah. So I

think if that searching or wanting something new or wanting

something more, you know, like, it's good to have goals because then

you've got something to work towards. You've got something that, like, oh, yes. I wanna

do that because then I might get this. That's not does that mean you're not

content where you are at the moment, but you're also excited and motivated about that

purpose to push to get something. And that's a human nature part of it. Isn't

it? We need that purpose and then that drive those sorts of things. And Yep.

And challenges are bloody good. Right? Yep. Hands down. Challenges are bloody

good. What's something have you this is a deep question.

Whenever I start looking at the roof, they'll be

like, shit, this is gonna be a deep one. Have you got any regrets?

Regrets? Yes. I'll I'll start with mine so I don't wanna go too deep with

it. Mine's the guitar. I never bloody learned the guitar. And we're talking about

challenges, right, and then learning a new skill and it's good for us and we're

always evolving as human beings. So I wanna take away from work and that kind

of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And mine's, yeah, and bloody how easy is to pick

it up and start learning. And minds that I never got stuck into actually

learn the guitar properly. My old man played in a band, he bought my guitar

when I was 14, set my cupboard, all I wanted to do is play sport.

Yeah. I have a guitar in my lounge room, my kitchen right now on a

stand, looks at me every single day. I see it. Oh, you see it. I

was like People come and go, you can play the axe. No. Just sits there

and looks good in my corner of my room. But

I'd love to bloody play it because I want my kids to learn it. I

know it's gonna be sick to be able to sit around a campfire and pump

out some tunes, but yeah. And isn't it sucks that one of my

regrets But you you suck so easily. I know. Right? Don't

regret it. Just go and bloody fix it. As you were talking then, I'm thinking,

I'd to be honest, no. I don't I don't really have any. You don't have

any? No. Not really. Oh, no. That's cool. Yeah. Look. I've there's something I

wanted to do. I've tried it. Yeah. I've done it. I don't know. You haven't

really give me much thought. No. No. That's alright. That's a quick There's things I've

done that I'm not proud of, but Yeah. That's alright. Do not regret. No. You

know, like, I think I'm I'm always happy to try something. If it doesn't

work, I'll own it and move on. Is there a skill you do not know

how to do it that you've always thought that it'd be cool to know how

to do?

Not really. No? No. Interesting. Yeah. I

suppose through Like if I turn to you today, right, and go right, you've gotta

set yourself a challenge to learn a new skill. Alright. What would you go and

learn? I don't know. I I don't know. I know what mine is. What's

your the guitar? No. Mine's knots.

I need to learn how to tie a freaking knot. I have a knot thrown

knots on my shoes. I'm talking about this. Oh, man.

I I do not know how to tie a good knot.

And is he, like, tying shit down in a trailer? What I call it, truckie's

knot? Truckie knot. My father, Lord, sorry, Ray. You've told me 12

times if if probably more. And, I'm used to

say it. I'm bloody. Yeah. So I need to learn how to get there entire

bloody good night. Oh, mate. My own admission ended up. Every every school

holiday since I was, an 8, I

would go to work with my dad. He used to be a bricklayer, then he

owned a company that built, like, big sheds and carports and things.

And I still remember his dad. I was 14 years old, and we needed to

go get some more tin or something. So, I must've been must've

been a bit older. Anyway Yeah. And he goes, we can't go. You'll come

with me until you can tie down that little bit, and then we go. And

I go, I don't know how to tie it down. I did like what you

probably did just a minute. Knots. And dad goes, what's that? It's gonna blow off.

And he goes, you're coming with me, but we're not allowed to go

until you can do this. And he taught me the knot. Yep. I'm like, alright.

So I start practicing. And every 20 minutes, he'd come back and he'd show me

again. I was there for about 4 and a half hours because he said and

this is, like, this is harsh. Like, I remember crying and he goes, no.

You you need to learn how to do this. So I stayed there till I

could do it. And now I'm an elite, not tire. But I

hated him at the time. Yeah. But he said, nah. And the boys on the

job, we've had to wait an hour and a half because they needed his tin.

Dad's like, nah. We're not going until Dale can tie that down. What a life

skill. Yeah. What a hard fucking hard way to learn it. But I

when you said about knots, I'm like, wow. I can actually really good at

knots. What a random what a random job. I remember. This is so

weird. But I remember when I was teaching, my last teaching job. And

so it it was, like, high end cricket. So every Tuesday and Thursday,

Carlton Creek Club would part of the deal was we could train on the turf

nets if we set up the nets. Yeah. And so none of the kids could

tie knots, and I'm here just tracking, not training. Kids are looking at me. I

This guy's elite. Who is this guy? Like, the guy that just rolled in? Yep.

It's not fun. Does that one knot do you for everything? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta

teach him the ways of this knot. Nah, mate. It's, What do you mean no,

mate? I mean, the worst thing is so now last week, dad was already

helping me, build something out the back, and he doesn't even do not see him.

Well, he's got those harness straps. Got those ratchet straps. They made me cry

for it. And he goes, yeah. But he'd still now tie a knot. And I

go, but he goes, I don't need to. I don't have to do it. I've

got these now. They're way better. I was like, oh, there you go. I love

it. No. I need I need to master it especially before my father-in-law. He's not

gonna pass anytime soon. I need to I need to learn a direction. Impress him.

Yeah. No. Yeah. It's just I really make him proud because he's taught me that

many times. And, yeah, I'm bloody useless at it. So There you go.

There's my skill. Maybe that's a skill that I can use that I can learn

and teach you and I can feel bloody good about yourself, and then I can

move on to the next challenge in life, which might be the guitar. You won't

be allowed in the office until you can do it. No work will get done.

New curriculum we're building might be done, but it doesn't matter if you had a

tie knot. Oh, I love it. New skills, new challenges. Oh, I like it. I

love you. Brilliant. There you go. Everyone go and learn something new and learn a

new challenge. I love that. That's unreal. Because that's important too. You know, learning new

shit, I think it's super important in life is just to continually learn. You know

what I mean? And I think it's been a huge learning curve the last 12

weeks that I've been with you in here and whatnot. Yes. Now I'm gonna take

it outside the office and learn how to Well, it's the same with me. It's

been a learning curve because Yeah. I don't normally just come in and don't talk

to anyone and just get everything done. But now you're like, you delegate. You

share things. Yeah. It's like you do things with someone else. Mhmm. So again, it's

yeah. I've that's probably been a big learning curve for me. Were you about to

you've got to learn how to become a teacher again. Right? Because you had to

teach me a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Asking on knowledge and sharing Well, also

be open. I think for a long time, I haven't had anyone to feed off.

So you just know this is what we're doing, and I just do it that

way. And if it doesn't work, well, alright. Shit. That's okay. We'll go again. You

know? Like, it doesn't matter. Like, but now, feeding off someone else and collaborating and

doing together has been brilliant to grow, but it's also been hard in a way

because I've had to change the way I've operated and think. Yes.

But that's good. It is good. Yeah. It's good. And I think you've enjoyed it.

Look at what it's like. Yeah. So change is good. Right? Change is good. Change

is good. Yeah. Change is good. Well, episode number

343, Add them up. That's 10. You beauty. Add them up in 10. This

is episode 10 for me behind the microphone. I no longer feel like an

imposter. I'll move on. Number 11 next time. But now loving it. Everyone

have an awesome week. Take care.