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349. My name is Dale Sullivan, and I'm joined by my delightful business

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Oh, delightful. Thank you for that beautiful intro, mate. How are you?

Yeah. Very good. Thank you. Very good. Back in the studio. It is, mate. We're,

very excited for today's podcast. And I think this one for us,

when you you're aware of your surroundings and what is going on

in your life, there's so many, I suppose, learnings or things that

you can model yourself on, I suppose, that Yeah. Like, are

going well or you see certain people do things or things you

do, you get challenged in a different way and it's thought provoking.

You only see that, I suppose, if you allow yourself to. Yes. And

I think we've had a couple of really good weeks, particularly this week,

in a number of different ways of, yep, highs and lows. 1, I

lost my voice. I've got it back now. And absolute idiot when you run a

company that, is all about speaking and you yell that loud at

1300 people, you lose your voice. That was, not ideal. I haven't done that for

a few years. But, I think, yeah, when you're open and aware

of your surroundings, there are so many amazing things that go on that challenge you

if you wanna be challenged. So I'm excited to talk about it today. Yeah. I

love it. Can I go back a step too? Because I've never pinged my voice.

I've pinged the hammy. I've pinged the quad. I've pinged the car. Oh.

But I've never pinged my voice. So what is it what is it? Because you

did it. So Monday, 1300 kids, 1300 people, and

dad was going loud and proud and it went on him. Oh. And he had

to call for the microphone. I've never experienced that. So do you feel it going?

Oh, yeah. Yeah? It's like a pain? Yep. And it really hurts. Wow. It's

actually really dangerous. Like Okay. I reckon I did it about 3 or

4 years ago, before COVID, so probably 4 years ago. Yeah. And

that was just talking for 5 days straight and, like, just yelling.

Like, so I'm a lot better now with my voice projection and, I

yeah. I blew it smarter, but, obviously, we rolled into

this venue and, you know, 300 kids and there's probably 200 staff in

there. And the microphone doesn't work when I get up and do my first

thing. Yeah. And I just, And and and we

both back ourselves here with our voice projection. So we both go, I hate you.

I'll be honest. I hate using microphone. I hate them. I don't know. It

it it detracts when I'm trying to do it. It makes it a bit less

natural for me and you're the same. I think I think you just like to

use your voice and your body language. And so I think just thought you could

do it, and then lo and behold halfway 30 seconds in. 30 seconds

in. And then, obviously, we had speaking gigs for us a week

and rock up Tuesday, and I tried to start and I literally Scratchy

scotchy. Hurts, like like, really it just hurts to

even talk, let alone try and project at a level where you need to. Yeah.

And then, yeah, Wednesday we had the principal's gig at that lovely winery, and it

wasn't a good setting to be talking. And I

literally couldn't talk over him. I couldn't, like, I couldn't get it

back. So here I am trying to talk, and I'm like, cambo, can you

you're like, alright. Bring it back. Oh. The one thing that you pride

yourself in being able to do is generate that voice to control the room.

Yeah. And when you lose that, yeah. I found it really hard to present. And

it even threw me, like, as I was talking, because my voice was hurting

so much. Like, normally I know exact I don't even think about how I'm gonna

say it to say it, but I was, like, stumbling, you know. Yeah. So you'd

be there. Sort of delusional because my voice was so sore. And I've never it's

probably something I need to learn. We're always infinite learners, but

I've never done any research in how to protect my voice. Maybe maybe we should.

Maybe I should learn a bit about it because now the voice is the business.

Right? And it's the voice is the moneymaker, which sounds a bit wanky, but,

Johnny Farnham. Yeah. You're the voice, Trent. I

understand that. Sorry. I won't never sing again in these podcasts.

But, yeah, maybe I need to do some research in that. Don't scream, mate. Don't

scream. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yours I suppose yours is going a bit by the

end of Tuesday. Yeah. Mine by Tuesday because because I had to And because you're

you're not aware you're not aware of it. Were heavy too come the end of

Tuesday. I was very good on

the driving tour and trolling. Very good. Very good impression, pressing our play and pause

on the music too. You're elite. Great at passing our dice. Yeah.

Yeah. I felt like a I felt like a real player, to be honest. So

I could not that. I just felt I don't know how those days are. My

friend. That's what teamwork is for. Oh, no. But anyway, let's go let's

go with, what you were gonna start with around, yeah, we

did a session for 50 principles at a at a beautiful,

farm in Keeler right near the end of the year. It was at a Rundle

farm. Rundle. Yeah. A magic setting there. I was gonna say it because I couldn't

pronounce it. A Rundle farm. Picture we had no idea what we're walking

into. Too long trestle tables, Christmas crackers on

there, Santa things everywhere. We're like, holy shit, we've been invited to Christmas lunch here

with 50 principals. And it was amazing. Wasn't so amazing that we're

in a massive tin shed with 0 air conditioning and no fans, and it was

a hot day and that was a bloody sweat box in there, wasn't it? But,

one thing we wanna take from like, we got asked I don't I don't

know what's right and wrong. We we get our participants do what's

called a power message and we get them to one part of that message is

to tell people why you're proud of them. And I think it's

a beautiful thing. I'm always telling my kids I'm proud of them. I always tell

people I'm proud of them. And one of the principals, sort of called us

over, really sweet. You know, there's no malice in it. She did it really sweetly.

And just sort of let us know that the research nowadays suggest that

we shouldn't be telling kids, especially or people that we're proud of them.

We should be telling kids that you should be proud of yourself. So, for

example, if my kids do something really well instead of me as dad going, hey,

H. I'm really proud of you for doing that. I should say, hey, h.

You should be really proud of yourself for doing that. And I was like, wow.

Obviously, the research is there. They fully believe in it, and I can see both

sides of the fence. And her idea was, it this if you say

I'm really proud of you, then the kid or the person is always looking for

you for validation. They're always trying to please you rather than

looking from within, and I went, that's an interesting

concept. And I still don't know what's right and wrong. Yeah. And I

went home that night and I and I said to my son, I'm like, Hans,

I got a question to ask you. When what do you prefer? I said, what

do you prefer? Do you prefer it when dad says, hey, I'm really proud of

you for doing that? Or do you prefer it when I say, hey, you should

be really proud of yourself? And Hunter who's sick, his response was I

prefer it when you say I I should be really proud of myself. Oh.

Yeah. And I was like, wow. These kids are so much more aware than us.

No. The world we live in, mate, when I was 6 and

knows Arthur and Martha are aware it was, like, isn't it just it's a

different world. Different world. And that was 2 days ago now,

and it's amazing how in the last 48 hours, I reckon I've told my 2

sons that they should be proud of themselves. I've even told my wife that as

well. But, yeah, off the back of that one conversation with the school friend and

then hearing it from my son himself saying, I I it feels

better when you say, hey, you should be really proud of yourself. Just

mind blowing a little bit and game changer and another little tool for the

parenting tool kit, I guess. Yeah. And I had no idea that that's the way

the research was pointing or that's how, you know, people felt. But I guess it

kinda makes sense. It does. And I know when you like we spoke about it.

Obviously, we had a long car ride home. It was raining and you spoke about

it in the car. And I was like, I totally agree with

that but I was but then I don't agree in what we're

doing with the power message because Yeah. For a power message,

it's it's about that person, but it's coming from you.

So it's that like, they don't need to be proud of themselves. It's them being

aware of why you're proud of them. Yeah. But I I think it's

really important to understand both. Yeah. And particularly too, like those adults

writing it to other adults in the room. The whole idea is you

want people to know why you're proud of

them. Yeah. And you want them to remember it. So I think different contact

context, you know, like that and it breaks each down. But we we had a

great discussion about it. Like like what we are Yeah. 100%. And I'm sticking by

it. Like I still think there's a room for both. Oh, I do too. I'll

be honest. Because I love it. If someone tells me, hey, I'm really proud of

you. Still feels bloody great. Intrinsically, it feels amazing and and vice

versa. If someone says, you know, you should be proud of yourself, it does make

me feel better. Which one makes me feel better? Which one would make my sons

feel better? I I don't I think they're both equally weighted to be honest. And

I think they've both got a place. Yeah. And I'll continue to use both,

but it definitely plant a little seed for me to not always go, hey, I'm

really proud of you. Yeah. Just sort of flick that other one and go, hey,

you're really proud of yourself for doing that. And I can definitely see the merit

in it. But what a thought provoking little conversation. So thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you to the print who, who brought that to our attention

because it's once again, we love learning. And it's the little one percent is that

all add up. And, yeah. Interesting and interesting that in the last

48 hours, I've already started implementing it in my mind. Mate, I must admit I've

I've been trying to do it with my 4 year old as well. Yeah. And

yeah. I I think once again, it just makes every time I I say it

now, I'm present because I'm aware of what I'm saying. Yeah. I say it

sometimes. I'm proud of, like, throw away lines. I think that, yeah,

I'm really aware of what I'm saying now. Yeah. Because of that,

like, I've thought about it. Yeah. And I guess in today's day and age of

of mental health and well-being, we know how don't run. It's not dire straits, but

it is getting worse. It is a bit of an issue. And I guess

telling young kids or adolescents that, hey, you should really proud of yourself and getting

them to practice that skill is probably a better thing

for promoting their own mental health and well-being than us telling them we're proud of

them. So it kinda makes sense now that I reflect upon that just came to

me in the last 30 seconds that, yeah, you know what? Probably it is better

for them for their own toolkit Yeah. For us to start teaching these young

people to look within and be proud of yourselves and

not rely on other people to get validation or whatever it might be.

Yeah. Not rely on that external source. Yeah. You know, and realistically what we're

really building there is a, you know, emotional literacy or emotional capacity

Love that. To handle life. Yep. Do you know what I mean? And

because it's like I think it's I love schools, don't get me wrong, but I

think we also set a lot of people up to fail with them because school

finishes, life's completely different. There's no bells, there's not someone telling you what

to do, like you're not going to set classes, it's not all organized for you.

And I know you can't just not do that at school, but I think it's

exactly the same if we do that with our kids or people that we

teach or people we influence in our life. And then all of a sudden, they

move out or they're gone. That complete avenue of what they relied on

that rock isn't there. Yeah. So realistically, the capacity that we're

building up isn't it about us telling them, it's about us

helping them educate themselves so that they can tell themselves. Yeah. Man,

I love that. Oh, that was gold. That was gold. I just

learned some greatness in that last 20 seconds. And and obviously, we're

we've geared that conversation towards school and kids

and young people, but it goes in any level. Right? So if you're currently spoken

about. Or bosses. Yeah. Bosses. So you can't leadership. Yep. Right? You think about leadership

and even if you're trying to develop the capacity of your staff. Yep.

It's a really beautiful thing to say to your staff member, your team member, hey,

I'm really proud of you. That will make them feel great, but you flip that

script a little bit and start saying, hey, you should really proud of yourself the

way you went about that presentation, the way you put that program together, or that

creative thing you did, whatever it might be. Because once again,

it's this I think it's the same benefits of, hey, I'm really proud of you.

But your staff memories and your team memories in developing their own capacity

within, to believe in themselves.

And, yeah, I I I honestly think the the role of a true

leader is to develop the capacity of those underneath you to then fly

the coop. You know what I mean? I think you've done a great job of

a leader if they're gonna follow you if they're leaving. If they're going for other

opportunities, if they're going for larger roles and they're leaving the organization,

that is not a slight on you. It's a compliment. It's a compliment.

Yeah. Because you've developed their capacity really well. You've built their confidence up where they're

ready to go. You know what? I want the next step up or the big

the next thing up and, yeah. And and leaderships, I don't just all

of a sudden going off tangent a little bit here, but leaderships, it's just

those wording and those little 1 percenters are so bloody important, isn't it? And

we are bloody lucky. You know, the start you said, have

we learned a lot from everyone around us? And it's a building about our role

now as we get to go out and work with so many different organizations, schools,

corporates, whatever it might be. And we are exposed to so many

different leaders. And for me, it's the best PD

ever. Like, I because I love leadership. I bloody love it and You do. Like,

you're actually the biggest nerd leadership person, you know. Carry books

around and I do. Don't get quotes and drive and and like it's great, but

you actually love it. Yeah. I do think so. I've I've learned a

lot around, like, the ways to deliver leadership

through your passion because it is something you're so you know, probably

vice versa around, you know, how passionate I'm about play. Oh. You know? That it's,

yeah, but you are really so sorry to cut you off, but you are an

absolute nerd guru of legend. Of leadership. I appreciate that. Thank you. I just think

it opens up I think it opens up so many I think it's such an

important skill set to have, and it opens up so many avenues for you

professionally, yes, career wise, but also personally, like, I think you you can

definitely be a leader amongst your friendship group, a leader amongst your family, but obviously

career, it's awesome. But going back to what I was talking about, we have so

many multiple exposures to leaders and We do. We

are I'm learning so much from them all, what to do, what not to

do. You know, we've just come from an amazing meeting at a primary

school, and she was a bundle of joy. She was a heap of

fun. She's visible. She's real. Yeah. And

even the, you know, the print 3 days ago, the visibility

Yeah. Of that leader, and we may comment on it. Right? We're like, holy crap.

How visible is this leader? Yeah. And that is for me, numero,

for leadership out there is make yourself visible. Get out there and be

amongst the people, build those relationships, build that time into

your schedule, and I actually make it intentional with it. Don't give me that

bullshit that I don't have time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you that's

for me, that's the most important thing you gotta make time for and put in

your calendar is to get out there and feel what's going on in in your

business place or your organization in your school. But,

yeah, visibility is super important. Building relationships is super important.

And attitude reflects leadership. Lady Alcono said that a 1000 times, but

attitude reflects leadership. And going on today's one, she was let it

legitimately, she looked after student leadership. She was out of the school. She

wanna get involved as much as she possibly can, and I

just love that. You know what I mean? And the rest of the school is

gonna follow. A 100%. And then staying on the other side, a

few weeks ago, we were away in the country and nearly every principal we saw

was incredible. Like, was around outside with the kids all the

time. 1 at 1 school. And, like, normally

we rock up and, you know, you get introduced and welcome to the school.

And, oh, anyway, we won't go too much into it,

but just the reason there was such a divide

between staff and students and staff

and leadership because of this one person. And it,

just it was I just don't understand how some people

wanna get into a position like that when they're

not, you know, looking at all the things or sort of being intentional about

it. Like, they're probably not aware of the actual

the damage they're doing. I don't know. But that you know the one I'm talking

about. You gotta forget it. Oh, yeah. I think for

some reason when people get in these leadership positions, they forget where they've come from,

and they see that leadership is it's a title, it's a right and

it's not, by any stretch of the imagination. You know what I mean? It's

it's a privilege and a lot of leaders lose that side of that. They

lose sight that it's an absolute privilege. Bit when you're like that print.

But you're off. It should say. I don't wanna use the f word right

now. Sorry, mate. Mate, no, not at all. You know what

I mean? You bastards. Take your jaw up. I was like, you

serious? Sorry, mate. I'm sorry. No. But even when things are

going tough, that's when some leaders start hiding, and I think you should be advised

for us that then when things aren't going super smooth, that's when the leaders gonna

be out and not hide and own it and be part of it and and

feel it. Because that's when people are gonna gravitate towards you

and trust you, I guess. Yeah. I love that we

just went on this whole tangent about leadership. Sorry. It was awesome,

but, That's true though. Yeah. It is super true. And even, know,

a lot of you if you don't have to be a leader, you don't have

the title to take on leadership roles and start developing those skill sets. You

can do it from any level. And the younger you start developing it, we talk

to our young people all the time, we run workshops with the younger you can

start developing those leadership skills. No matter where you are, it

puts you in amazing stead for the rest of your life. And you'll take them

with you. You just keep building upon them. Yeah. And you take them forever and

ever. It's unreal. I've got

a couple of questions without notice. And I know you get nervous.

No. I'm always, it's funny. I

you've obviously done this podcast for a long time and, when we

have a guest, you don't give the questions. And for some people, it makes them

really nervous. And I'm like, I'm not gonna ask you random questions about the war

or history. We're gonna talk about you. Yeah. Like, so if I don't think

you've you can talk about yourself or you're aware of it, then, mate, you shouldn't

be doing a podcast. I'm excited for this. Mate, my 2 questions at that notice,

completely random and completely miles apart, but, I thought, you know, I listened

to one of them on the pod the other day. I was like, that's interesting

chat. And the society I was gonna ask it. So question

1 without notice. Yeah. What are your thoughts on AI? My

thoughts on AI? Yes. I think it's amazing.

I think it amplifies sort of creativity

in certain things you do, and it can be such a tool

for reducing mind numbing tasks that, you know, can clog

up your day. Yeah. Particularly for someone like me that is not

a very good writer or speller Mhmm. With grammar. Emailing

and things like that used to take up a lot of time, and also take

up a lot of my capacity. Yeah. Because I'm so aware, you know, that obviously

dealing predominantly with schools, that my spelling was horrendous. Yep. You

know? But now I've got all these other tools that can really help that.

And what shouldn't have been a problem was a problem

because I had anxiety around it. Yeah. And I always worried

about it, so I'd put it off. I'd always think about it, and it would

consume a lot of my time. Whereas now, I can

scribble down or write what I'm thinking, and it actually writes in a way that

makes me sound good. But that's not it, like, for me, that doesn't

really matter. But for other people, it does. Yep. That's why I'm always being the

one, not just jump on the phone. Yeah. Play to your strengths. Yeah. You know

what I mean? And that's why I love AI because it will never it will

never be able to replace people that are creative or people that

do something face to face. Human connection. You know, like, it's

it's gonna keep developing in a whole heap of ways. Yeah.

But I think people should be excited about it, not scared by it.

It's here to stay. It's probably like when the Internet came, everyone's like, oh, I'm

scared of this. What is it gonna be? Well, AI is here to

stay. It's only getting better and better. And my biggest thing

I'd give anyone is research it. Start playing around with it.

I've got pretty good at it. Why? Because I was really curious. Yep. I'm

like, what is this? And I've found ways that it really helps our

business because I've been able to use the creativity

and my mindset around play, and I know how to talk to it now. And

the best thing about different AI tools is they end up knowing you.

It It freaks me out. Isn't it? So you see some of the things I

do. Mate, then you said before I'm pretty good at it. You're bloody elite at

it, let me tell you. And it just but it blows me it blows me

away that how your AI program is specific to you because it's your pro your

I've sort of trained it. Logged in. You've trained it. Yep. And you can now

literally say to it, you know, write it in my style Yeah. Or create

this game in my flow and my style and it bloody does. Yeah.

And if I go in there and wrote create the same game, it would be

completely different to what yours has spit out. And it blows me

away. Yeah. I I'm in so many truth. Reason I asked numerous reasons. A, I'm

intrigued and I'm learning a heap in the last, you know, 6 months and I've

really been on board. But it also freaks me out a

bit, because I don't know where it's going. I don't know

where it's gonna stop. But you can't control that. I know. And that's what freaks

me out a little bit. Does it? And I think sometimes it's gonna take us

beyond the human scale. So for example, you know, you got AI for helping

create, written documents or getting creative with games, those sort of things, and

then you've got AI that is

working against us and pushing us beyond that human scale, like,

algorithms, for example. You know what I mean? Like, they are that bloody good

now, those AI algorithms, a, they listen to you when your phone's moving on,

but, they're designed to keep you, especially on

your phone and keep scrolling and because it knows how it knows you inside

out And it keeps throwing stuff up and that's all I have. Using you're already

using AI. You just don't realize it. It's using you. Yeah. I

had a a meeting for Goodmate yesterday, and spoke about, you

know, AI and particularly around social media, and like how

all these influences, you know, that they will be

75% of them in 2 years will be they won't have anything because

AI is better and smarter than them. Yep. So you'll think you're

talking to, I don't know, some supermodel or or someone that

does trick shots or something like that, but all you're really talking to is an

AI bot. Yep. So for me that's

crazy. Yep. But what it I I just love it because the

thing it will never ever be able to replace is

in front of people, in a room, face to face

connection, no device. And this is where I I feel

people should really start to think about it, that yeah, it will affect a lot

of jobs. Why? Because AI can probably do it better than people. Yep. And

I'm aware of that now with probably a lot of things I used to outsource.

I don't need to anymore Mhmm. Because I can now do it. And I can

do it at a level that I used to play. I I can do it

at a better level than I used to pay for flawless. Because it

knows me so well. And that's the thing. You you train something up. It's like

it's like a pet. Yeah. Like, this pet does the most amazing tricks,

but don't be scared by it because there's always things it's not gonna be able

to do. Yeah. And the reason I love it is because it's not gonna be

able to do things when people are in a room, when you're with your family,

do you know what I mean? With your friends, where it's just face to face

humans, no device. Yep. And that's I love that. Nothing will replace that.

Nothing will replace that. But I guess that, you know, your point about, yes, it's

gonna replace lots of human jobs and that's the other part that freaks me out

is that population growth is going through the roof through the

roof, you know, worldwide and yet we're gonna have

more and more jobs being taken by AI. I just think that balance you think

about the amount of population that are going up and the amount of human jobs

that are gonna go down, I'm like, fuck, where's that gonna end? Like, where's that

gonna yeah. I know. So I love it. I'm getting my head around it. And

I was just listening to applaud the other day and it sparked my interest. I

thought that might be an interesting combo to bring up this society, because he Was

that the question you thought I'd like? Yes. I was worried about it. And next

one I was like Wait. You didn't love that one. No. Love

that one. I love it. And you are bloody good at using it, and I'm

definitely getting my head around with it. I think it's like anything that I think

it's fascinating. So when I when I look at something and I'm like, wow, I

I wanna understand it more and get to know it and figure it out.

And so I I wasn't very good with it for a long time, but then

you slowly figure out different things and you read things. And it's like anything,

the more you practice something, the better you get. Yeah. And, yeah, I'm really glad

that I did put the time into it because, yeah, it's it's turned me into

a superpower into one area of my life that has always held me

back. Yeah. Gotcha. And also, not only helped me back, but I've always been aware

of it. Yeah. So I know that, and it's not even it's wrecked my confidence

or anything, but, yeah, I like used to release a lot of stuff. And you're

going through a lot of the games and things I did years years ago. And

there's spelling mistakes in there, of course, there is because I I didn't know the

difference between words. Like Yeah. So I'm not dyslexic, but there's obviously

something there because I physically can't see these things. So now

now because I run it through certain AI things, and then I've

got a platform called Grammarly as well that helps it sound better

and rolls, and, mate, like it's that thing that really held

me back doesn't anymore. You know, and that's the thing, don't I

think the thing about it is there's so many people that may have something in

their life that, you know, they deep down, they know isn't the best, or

they feel a little bit insecure about. And I'll be honest, my spelling Yep.

Has always been that. And it's really hard when you put yourself out there,

and you start a business, and you've got to start releasing things. You gotta release

blogs. You gotta release Yeah. Podcast newsletters and so forth. And that used to

take up so much of my time, and I don't used to have to get

people to proofread it. And like my sister, Brie, like they're

brilliant writers. They don't have time to proofread everything I've done.

So then you'd end up going, oh, just release it. And it wasn't right. So

instead of helping people, people would say there's some there's spelling

mistakes in it. And you're like And it's nuts, isn't it, Nelio? You think about

students who are using it like no tomorrow, uni students, high school students Oh, yeah.

Are using it like no tomorrow but now there's programs out there where the teachers

are now putting their written assignments through other programs and

it's it lets you know if it's been used. It's just mind blowing. It's mind

blowing how far it's come. Yeah. I don't know why that struck a chord and

I was like, yeah. But you know what? It is kinda crazy how it's amazing

tool, but it also freaks me out that it can work against us as well

as humanity. Well, I think it just I think it saves a lot of time

like you said with students and uni students and things like that. Yeah. A lot

of jobs, you know, require people to have relationships

and connections. Yeah. Particularly, when we went through uni for 4 years for your

teacher, I I couldn't tell you many, essays

we wrote. I haven't written one since. No. Does that make me a good teacher?

No. Yeah. What made me a good teacher in you was the ability to engage

people. You can't do that in an essay. And on that on that, so

I've cut you off, on that, the billboard we saw the other day for a

certain uni, I won't name it, but a certain uni and a teaching degree and

you now do it remotely. Yeah. And we were like, what the

you can't do a teaching degree remotely because

the whole thing about teaching is building relationship with someone and now with AI and

technology and whatnot, you can sit at home and do your full bloody degree remotely.

I know you're gonna go and do some rounds, but 80% of the time you'll

complete that course, you're at home behind your laptop. Not building

relationships with people, not learning those soft skills that are so bloody important.

Yeah, that freaks me out too that we're going the connections that Yeah. Yeah. Like

last week, we're in primary school and I rang Scotty I went to uni with.

The other week, we're in Timboon near Warrnambool, and you run it the AP was

one of your mates from uni as well. Yeah. You know, people won't have those

now. They won't have those connections because they won't know these people. And

I think that's one of the most amazing things about uni, isn't the course,

isn't the work. It's the people you meet along the way. Yeah. And I think

that's life. So for me, going back circling back to AI,

it'll help people in so many ways. But the one thing people still need to

focus on is relationships because it'll never replace them. Yeah.

And it won't allow you to get better at them. That's something that you

just gotta do. And hallelujah that our business is in the world of relationships,

Hallelujah. Alright. My second question with that notice, and it's completely random,

and you haven't had to do one of these for quite some time because you've

owned your own business for the last 8 years. Resumes.

Yep. What are your thoughts on resumes? I

think they are the biggest waste of time Yes. In the world.

Good. Because anyone can just make one up or you can get someone

else's. It's like going for a job and doing key selection

criterias. Like, you don't even I didn't ever write one of those. I

applied for a lot of teaching jobs when I got out, and I didn't write

one of them. Oh, drives? Yeah. 100%. Because I'm like, that I

don't I won't be able to write a good one Yeah. And I won't get

the job anyway. So all I needed was an interview, and then I knew then

I landed. Same. I think it's not to have for for decades decades, I don't

know when it's gonna end that our society is built upon submitting

3 bits of paper that talks about your your successes and the

qualifications you've got. And that's how we pick or shortlist

the best candidates. There'd be so many amazing human beings that are missed

and not given opportunities because their writing isn't as

good as another person's or their list isn't as as impressive

as another person's, but their soft skills, their leadership skills, their ability

to build rapport would be far greater than half the people you

shortlist. And I just think we've got to get the times a little bit about

and change how we are applying for jobs. Mhmm. You know what I mean?

Whether it's an interactive video that you send in so you can

actually see and feel someone's personality Way better. Way better. You know what I

mean? Or get them filming it. I was reading something the other day and watch

something the other day, and this I think this is bloody amazing.

And me, for example, you look at my resume, it'll be pretty

impressive. Right? Finished high school, went to uni, worked at

these organizations, held these roles, pretty impressive. Do you

know what's more impressive? Would be my resume of failures.

My resume of failures would wrap this shed 3 times around Imagine yours.

Imagine mine. Right. You should see some of the crap I've created. I know right,

but your your resume would would your current resume of what you've

achieved would would span the width of this of this

podcast studio. My resume of failures and yours would wrap around it

twice. Yeah. And I think your resume failures

would say so much more about you as a person than your bloody

resume. Think about persistence, the amount of time you felt persistence,

resilience, learning opportunities, growth.

There's so many amazing things that would come out of your resume of failures, And

I was it got me thinking. I was I was walking the dog when I

was watching and listening to it. I was like, man, imagine if you if instead

of submitting your resume of success, you literally

went something different and threw in and submitted a resume

of failures. I wonder if that would get noticed, And I wonder

if the person hiring would go, holy shit, that is completely

different. And I love it and respect it, and let's get that

person in. I reckon an organization should roll with that. I'm just looking up at

our wall and our curriculum, our vulnerability wall of failures. Yeah. So a lot of

things we talk about is gratitude, you know, share, things like that. But we've also

got one that we get people to post their biggest failures. Yeah. Biggest

learnings. I love that. If I was employing someone,

obviously, I didn't ask you, I should've got your resume. Yeah.

I used to that. Could've seen how

impressive it was. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean, hi. I'm a big believer in

I'd have 3 questions. 1 would be around failures. Another one

would be what sort of person undoes you? And the other one would be what

would you do for fun? Yeah. So just three things, and then I would wanna

meet them. I would I would want to interact with them, and I'd have

questions for them. Pretty similar to, like, I'm I'm going on a

TV show in February, and pretty similar to just

got the approval, got the date sorted. Gonna win some cash over. Boy in Australia.

Putting myself out a little bit nervous. Pretty excited to solve. That was

really cool. You had to answer 6 questions. Mhmm. And you had to do a

little video of yourself, 1 minute, and submit it. And then you go on this

big interview with so many people. You had to do a quiz,

and then you had one minute to introduce yourself. Yeah. Brilliant.

Great way. It's amazing way. Because you get to see and meet the whole person.

You have to feel the whole person rather than just reading off a bit of

paper because you got no idea. So many times you're reading a bit of paper

and they sound phenomenal. You get to me and you're like, holy shit. Yeah. They

can't talk. No. You wouldn't be able to lead. No. Not When you're good, you're

not gonna be able to build relationships. You can't even have a laugh. No. Don't

take yourself so serious. That's probably because I wrote an 8 page document about how

good they were. Yeah. Well, it's So let's bring in a resume of failures, people.

I think I think you'll tell a lot more about a person and what you've

tried and and failed at and owning it and what they've learned from it than

their bloody successes. That's for sure. Oh, I love that. Yeah. That was just 2

random questions without notice. I like I like both of them. They were completely different.

They were, weren't they? And I appreciate both. We're both on the same boat. Is

it funny how my mind works and I'm rolling through life walking my dog and

this is what's going through my mouth. That's good. I've I've always thought resumes, but

just an absolute joke though. Yeah. I remember, I think it was last year,

a school in the Middle East wanted me to come over, and to get,

like, approval or something from the government there, I had to submit my resume.

And I'm like, I haven't I haven't I haven't, like, I haven't taught in

8 years. Yeah. So I just sent them my website and who I am, and

they're like, no you need a resume. And I'm like, you can do one for

me, I'm not coming. I didn't know I'm going. I was like, I'm not writing

a resume. You want me to come over? You've been your own boss for 8

years. Yeah. But I was like I'm not I'm just not doing that. Like that's

ridiculous. Anyway, I didn't they didn't that didn't go through. But

I'm still I'm not doing it. If you had that opportunity tomorrow, you'd go, you

know what, I'm gonna send her in. Here's my resume of failures. I don't know.

But if I had AI, I would have done it in a minute. It's

called cheating, Val. It's called cheating. No. It's not really. It's massively cheating,

but I would have said copy my intro, tell me how good I am in

your resume. What a waste of time. Anyway, Love it. That's the thing now with

AI that I think so many things are a waste of time, like writing an

essay or a resume or different things like that because people aren't doing it.

And the people that are, really sorry, but that skill,

Yep. It's something that, it's always gonna be there. You're gonna need

it. But, yeah. I I think, there's so many

other things coming in now that yeah. I'd I'd be a little bit worried if

Yeah. That was sort of your forte. That's it. Before we wrap up,

last episode, we spoke about a worldwide movement,

rock, paper, scissors movement. And I just want to thank a few people who who

messaged in and gave us some ideas for how to go about start this movement.

I think we've landed on 1 and, you might you can't see

me right now, but ladies and gentlemen, rock, paper, scissors movement. Let's get this

going. And it is left hand to right hand, palm

out straight, other hand to fist, and then do the

scissors motion. And that will let people in the car next to you or where

in the world next to you know that you are ready to have a rock,

paper, scissors duel. And, let's start doing some rock, paper, scissors duelling with

some random people out there, and let's get it going on, legends. Oh, I like

it, Kim. Very good, mate. Well, I hope the movement takes off. Thank you everyone.

This is episode number 349. Have a

brilliant week.